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Post by philbadfactor on Dec 17, 2021 9:25:26 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2021 13:04:58 GMT
This' new labour 2' seems to be upsetting alot of it older voters and new voters hence them going else where hence why they done terrible in last years local. Voters would rather vote for anything except labour and Kier cant figure out why. This new labour 2 has strange priorities.Lets recap... Keir Starmer’s Labour set a one-line whip to abstain from the licence to kill’ bill. The CHIS (criminal conduct) bill aims to give legal protection for a previously secret power – “the third direction” – allowing MI5, police forces and other specified public bodies to authorise agents and informants to commit criminal offences. Thank god 20 Labour MPs saw sense and defy party whip to vote against ‘licence to kill’ bill. Kier views on Julian Assange may a well of been something coming from Priti Patel mouth. The fact senior Labour members have to sign edicts to not say anything about a certain country s human rights behaviour shows how they dont care no more.
Yet Kier tells people on Monday night address with a union jack flag in toe he voted for the passport for our protection and health LOL
As a Opposition party they seem to not opposed alot and have a forgetful memory on human rights. Labour voting with the government, without even asking for concessions on sick pay or pay rises for NHS workers that is a big wow. Just like Bojo Kier will be feeling the pressure today as he will be kicked away very soon due to his very very poor performance as a Labour leader and this direction of this whatever weird new concept New Labour 2 is going is no where pretty soon. If people would rather vote for Libs or Reformed party or the mad hatters party than New Labour 2. Then it shows the vibe of the voting nation. It is time they excepted responsibility and stop blaming everyone else. The working and lower class is going elsewhere and new voters are not interested as last night showed yet again.
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Post by terminator on Dec 17, 2021 15:24:54 GMT
I cannot see either Johnson or Starmer lasting until an election is called, Johnson is the fool elected as leader saying he would get Brexit done. Brexit isn't done and there are over 25,000 illegals coming over on dinghies so far this year.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2021 15:28:27 GMT
My friends and me is gutted.
Fascinated to see how Labour losing over 70% of its voters in a seat it has thrown considerable resources at will be spun as a positive result for Starmer. Labour won just 3,686 votes in the North Shropshire by-election. This is down from 12,495 votes in 2019. The main story will obviously be a truly remarkable gain for the Lib Dems over the Tories, but you cannot underestimate just how shambolic this result is for Labour as well.
Labour Party Results in North Shropshire Constituency: 2010 (Gordon Brown) - 18.1% 2015 (Ed Miliband) – 19.9% 2017 (Jeremy Corbyn) - 31.1% 2019 (Jeremy Corbyn) - 22.1% 2021 (Keir Starmer) - 9.6%
Libs dems signed off on Austerity i will never forgive them but Driving away traditional Labour voters in the thousands with flags, fatherlandism, and insipid Thatcherite "trickle down" b*llocks, in order to deliver "soft-Tories" into the hands of the Lib-Dems! An absolute masterclass in strategic ineptitude!
Labour under Starmer is the worse and What's striking is how such results were treated under Corbyn's leadership compared to Starmer's. Under Corbyn, every result was a make-or-break test of his leadership. Starmer, it seems faces, no consequences for losing votes/seats.
Like you pointed out he hasn't really opposed The Tory's. It seems to have played into the Lib dems hands. Tactical voting more like tactical losing. Labour's marketing campaign said 'Lib dems wont win here' (i kid you not)
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2021 15:35:42 GMT
I tried to post a image of the campaign leaflet flyer i wasn't successful. https://i.postimg.cc/65JqcypQ/image.jpg i tried to post the image as well bitter. not sure if it's worked. but scraping the link and then searching it works. unbelievable leaflet really.
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Post by gordo on Dec 17, 2021 17:39:23 GMT
As already noted above, it seems rather remarkable, that the Libs who came 3rd in 2019 and Labour came 2nd, came to this place and basically took over. I wonder if Media hype them helped in any way? For the tories, is it a bad sign, but they could well recover, depending on how things pan out. They were prepared to go with Johnson during the "better" times for them if not for the rest of us, and with much rightwing Media backing, lets not forget, but during the bad times and a major crisis on the go, he has been quite hopeless, and everyone can see that. The tories will act fast to get rid of him, if they think he will cost them votes, supposing he doesn't resign of his own accord, which he may yet still do.
But for Labour, this is indeed a damning verdict, and is more of a concern for them than for the tories. It could well be the beginning of the end for Johnson, but not the tories. They are inpower, and they want to stay there. Labour is in a dire position just as much, and as it stands, there looks like no way Labour could win a General Election anytime soon, and by soon, lets just say the next 10 years! And as has already been said by myself elsewhere earlier on this By Election, and has been said by other political commentators, had Johnson not tried to protect ex MP (Disgraced)Paterson, had they allowed the suspension to go ahead, there would have been no need for his resignation, and no By Election. Paterson brought all this upon himself, fighting with the Cross Party committee at Westminster, and then the whole thing exploded spectacularly when Johnson got involved to try save him. They have themselves to blame, and Paterson was outrageous the entire way thru. To think this is the thing, Johnson tried to protect! But of course we know why he tried to protect him, as so many other tory MPs were /are doing the same thing!
And to think Labour came second here under Corbyn, and yet, again as said above, he was hounded by his own MPs. It's not just the Libs who kept the tories in power, but those Labour MPs who went to war with Corbyn, have much to answer, as well. But all the while, we have to put up with the miserable consequences.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2021 9:58:21 GMT
I cannot see either Johnson or Starmer lasting until an election is called, Johnson is the fool elected as leader saying he would get Brexit done. Brexit isn't done and there are over 25,000 illegals coming over on dinghies so far this year. Can’t you see? The ‘dinghies’ have INCREASED since Brexit so that didn’t work did it? We were much better off in the EU! Brexiteers will always moan about ‘foreigners’ whilst the real issue is we’ve become a fecking hateful nation. All this hate directed at people who have done us no wrong whilst we let our politicians bleed us dry and tell us it’s all the fault of the EU! I despair 🤦♀️
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2021 10:36:30 GMT
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Post by gordo on Dec 19, 2021 14:01:04 GMT
The MPs and the Cameron Government could easily have gone against the Brexit vote, on 2 major grounds of authority. 1. The Vote itself was non binding upon Parliament. It was an "Advisory Only" referendum! 2. The fact the main partner in the UK "Union" Scotland voted overwhelmingly to stay with EU, as did Northern Ireland, (as well as the near 50/50 vote in England itself) thus it split the UK in two, was grounds enough for there to be no Brexit. What Cameron ought to have done was call another General Election. But the fact is, had Cameron not gone with the Brexit route, it would have destroyed the tory Party at that time. He wasn't gonna let that happen, neither were the other pro EU tories. They at least hoped for a half decent EU deal, but the Extremists took over, and we see the sad results. And again, most unfortunately for the rest of us, the tories could still have been forced out of Government, had it not been for Labour MPs going to war with Corbyn. It is they who kept the tories in power during the summer months of 2016. Just as it was the Libs who kept them in power during the summer of 2019. The lot of them, both Labour and Libs, have much to answer for. It also has to be said, the extreme rightwing London tabloid Media, has been a major influence on this, driving folks to voting both for Brexit in 2016, then for Johnson's tories in 2019. They use outrageous propaganda, which the old dictators of Europe would have been proud of. If just only Stalin had these on his side! And we know who's side at least one of these extreme publications supported in the 1930s!!! And thus, we have ended up with this disaster of a policy, and truly abysmal Government. I don't see too much changing anytime soon. Johnson might go, but his replacement will be little better as far as Brexit, and tory policies in general go. Alas!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2021 15:28:04 GMT
The MPs and the Cameron Government could easily have gone against the Brexit vote, on 2 major grounds of authority. 1. The Vote itself was non binding upon Parliament. It was an "Advisory Only" referendum! 2. The fact the main partner in the UK "Union" Scotland voted overwhelmingly to stay with EU, as did Northern Ireland, (as well as the near 50/50 vote in England itself) thus it split the UK in two, was grounds enough for there to be no Brexit. What Cameron ought to have done was call another General Election. But the fact is, had Cameron not gone with the Brexit route, it would have destroyed the tory Party at that time. He wasn't gonna let that happen, neither were the other pro EU tories. They at least hoped for a half decent EU deal, but the Extremists took over, and we see the sad results. And again, most unfortunately for the rest of us, the tories could still have been forced out of Government, had it not been for Labour MPs going to war with Corbyn. It is they who kept the tories in power during the summer months of 2016. Just as it was the Libs who kept them in power during the summer of 2019. The lot of them, both Labour and Libs, have much to answer for. It also has to be said, the extreme rightwing London tabloid Media, has been a major influence on this, driving folks to voting both for Brexit in 2016, then for Johnson's tories in 2019. They use outrageous propaganda, which the old dictators of Europe would have been proud of. If just only Stalin had these on his side! And we know who's side at least one of these extreme publications supported in the 1930s!!! And thus, we have ended up with this disaster of a policy, and truly abysmal Government. I don't see too much changing anytime soon. Johnson might go, but his replacement will be little better as far as Brexit, and tory policies in general go. Alas! Trouble is Gordo they were scared of the racist thugs - the main proponents of Brexit. As it turned out I believe they called it wrong and should have faced them down. The vast majority were / are incredibly thick and would soon have lost interest. Most would have gone back to fighting on the terraces or, failing that, in Wetherspoons.
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Post by philbadfactor on Dec 20, 2021 10:02:16 GMT
This' new labour 2' seems to be upsetting alot of it older voters The CHIS (criminal conduct) bill aims to give legal protection for a previously secret power – “the third direction” – allowing MI5, police forces and other specified public bodies to authorise agents and informants to commit criminal offences. Thank god 20 Labour MPs saw sense and defy party whip to vote against ‘licence to kill’ bill. Kier views on Julian Assange may a well of been something coming from Priti Patel mouth. The fact senior Labour members have to sign edicts to not say anything about a certain country s human rights behaviour shows how they dont care no more. . yes, tannis they should let assange go. i mean what exactly has he done ? started a web platform whereby whistleblowers can blow their whistle. that's all !!! the bloke who blew the whistle and then turned into a woman has been released !! and yet assange is still being tortured. someone could upload damaging material that proved our government are criminals, for example, to this very forum. and who would be the equivalent of julian assange in that instance. the person who opened this particular platform. GRUNDLE !
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2021 11:55:54 GMT
I did not!
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